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We've had several people asking us what will happen with the tagging scheme now that Delicious' new UI has been revealed, and honestly, we are not sure. The mods haven't had much time to check out all the Delicious alternatives (oh personal lives....), so we thought we would try and crowdsource and ask people.

We need:
- Around 2500-3000 tags (more is always better!)
- Ability to browse by tag
- Ability to search using more than one tag (ex. "thailand" AND "gender" AND "non.fiction")
- Tag bundles or some way to do hierarchical tagging (so people do not have to look at a list of 1000+ authors)

Current consensus seems to be that Diigo isn't great for fanfiction, and Pinboard has a sign-up fee and no tag bundles.

Any suggestions or advice?
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As [livejournal.com profile] sanguinity mentioned briefly, we are looking for new mods, preferably 1-2. Currently, [livejournal.com profile] sanguinity is the mod who does the most day-to-day lifting at the comm, from posting status updates, making sure posts don't violate comm policy (usually posts about books with white authors), and keeping a general eye on things. I do more of the backend stuff, which includes figuring out tags and being consulted on policy changes. [livejournal.com profile] carenejeans is very hands-off and mostly acts as an advisor for larger questions.

We're looking for people to help out [livejournal.com profile] sanguinity in the day-to-day running of the comm. This means keeping an eye out to make sure things don't go pear-shaped in comments, keeping up the FAQ, making sure members' questions are answered, and generally being around. The mod team will be overlooking the LJ comm, and if we end up with a DW version, the DW comm as well.

We are especially looking for at least one mod who is not in/from the US!

I'll be in charge of this, so if you are interested, please either PM me or email me at oyceter at gmail. Let us know why you're interested and how you think you can contribute to the comm!

Signal boosting highly appreciated!
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As promised, here is the ability, disability, and ableism recommendations post.

  • Both books and blogs are eligible for this post.

  • As always, the authors of the books or blogs must be poc/chromatic, and should also be people with disabilities or non-normative abilities. (Note, not all people with non-normative abilities identify as disabled.) Disabilities and non-normative abilities include, but are not limited to: physical disabilities, non-normative body structure or function, chronic illnesses, mental illnesses, and non-neurotypicality.

  • Recommended books and blogs do not have to be about ability, disability, or ableism. There are far more ways for one's identify to inform one's writing than to explicitly discuss it in non-fiction, but even if one's identity didn't inform one's writing, it would still be worth noting that authors of color include authors with disabilities and non-normative abilities.

Anonymous commenting is still turned off, but those without LJ logins can comment with OpenID, Facebook, Twitter, or Google logins, or you can email me your recommendations (this username at gmail) and I'll add your recs manually.

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Thank you, everyone, for your extensive input on the discussion post, as well as your pms and emails. I am very glad that I asked for input: there were indeed issues that I didn't understand well, and more dangerous, issues that I didn't even know to consider. I regret, however, that this conversation was so painful for many, and I regret further that some left the comm during it. There are things that I learned about modding during this and would do differently next time; I'll get into that later in the post.

All three moderators have had input into and signed off on this post.

Before we get into policy-setting, let me address some concerns that cropped up in comments and pms:

So, policy.

Between Members )

Toward Authors )

modding: what will and won't change )

And that's about what we have. Comments on the previous discussion post are now locked; any commentary you have should go on this post. If there is anything that seems unworkable, confusing, or just plain unacceptable in the policy laid out above, we want to know.

Thank you again to everyone for your input thus far. It is very, very clear that many of you, posters and lurkers alike, care deeply about the comm and its objectives. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the time and energy you all devoted to telling me what you want from and for the comm.
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Just an FYI to let you know we're working on the policy post relevant to this discussion. You may see me poking about in the comments, asking for clarifications here and there.

We hope to have the policy update posted by Friday, but cannot make any guarantees with respect to that.

Thanks so much for your patience thus far!

ETA: Well, Friday didn't happen. Currently trying for early in the week.

ETA2: Policy post is up.
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I'm elevating this to a new post, because the mod team is small and we want a wider range of input than what we can bring to bear ourselves.

The topic under discussion is whether or not insults, mocking, jeering, and/or personal attacks are acceptable on the comm, in what context, and directed toward whom.

First: that's probably not a complete list. One of the things I'm noticing in the comments and pms is that people have different characterizations of what is in dispute here.

Second and related: not everything in the list above may be comparable to everything else in that list. We might choose to give a pass to some of the above and yet reject others.

Third: I'm expecting that there might be some context dependency in these decisions. My gut sense is that insulting an author is not the same thing as insulting another comm member. Being white and being POC is not symmetric. Being the original poster and being a non-OP commenter in an exchange may also change the context. There may be other factors.

So let me lay out some of the issues that the mod team has been discussing.

Because of the way the tone argument gets used, we have been reluctant to implement a blanket "no insulting, no jeering" rule. There are times when it is more important that something gets said than how it gets said; there are times when the clearest and most straightforward way to communicate an idea is to mock the original statement. Additionally, any given demand for politeness or patience made by this community is happening in the context of numerous asymmetric demands for politeness and patience; as mods, we strongly dislike the prospect of increasing those burdens as the price of participating in the comm.

We are trying to negotiate two conflicting chilling influences: one of them is the chilling effect of someone knowing that they might encounter insulting or jeering comments if they post; the other is the chilling effect of a "don't say it any meaner than this" rule. The latter can make people walk away from a comm just as the former can. (I personally have walked away from a comm because it wasn't worth it to me to deal with the emotional stress of trying to negotiate such a rule; I have heard more than a few similar stories from others.) What particularly worries us as mods is that who walks away because of either environment is often asymmetric along axes of privilege.

(Obviously, I would prefer a policy that doesn't have people walking away, if we can swing it.)

I additionally have concerns about how this plays into our sense of who the community is "for". There are at least three distinct ways that members use this forum. Some are using it for personal improvement, trying to correct biases or lacunae in their own personal education, environment, or knowledge. Others are using it as a tool to focus attention on authors of color, who face systemic biases in the publishing, reviewing, reading, and fan communities. Others are using this community as a social refuge, as a place where conversations about books are not forever reverting back to white authors and white norms. (Obviously, these uses are not exclusive to each other: there are many people who use this comm in two or more of the above ways.)

I am not at all sure that the comm serves the last group well. In the process of setting policy on this, I would like to avoid making this community serve those people less well. Unfortunately, it is not clear to me what would or would not do that.

So, the questions we have for you:

What constitutes a personal insult?

Are they never acceptable, sometimes acceptable? Are some more acceptable than others?

Does it make a difference if the insult is directed at an author or at another community member? Where another community member is concerned, does it make a difference as to whose post it appears in the comments to (your own, or someone else's)?

Do we want one blanket policy of acceptability for the entire comm? Should OPs moderate their own comments as they see fit? Some combination of the two?

Are we correct to be worried about an asymmetric effect on white and POC/chromatic members of the comm? And if so, what kinds of policies do you specifically see being a problem? What would be acceptable?

What are we missing?

If you wish to reply privately, you are welcome to PM me or send me an email (this username at gmail).

ETA (6/29): I've turned anonymous commenting off -- there's at least one person who is harrassing people. If you have something to say and need privacy to say it, you've got my pm and email.

ETA2 (6/30): My draft position on some of the interactions under discussion, specifically some of the earlier posts about N.K. Jemisin's books. Re everything else, I'm still reading, still digesting. I haven't begun replying to pms yet, but I'm reading those, too.

ETA3 (7/5): FYI, we're still working on the policy post; we hope to (but cannot promise!) to have it posted by Friday.

ETA4 (7/9): progress updates here.

ETA5 (7/13): Policy post is now up. Comments here are locked.
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Apparently LJ introduced a new comment spam feature, default-on, for all communities and journals. (Official announcement.)

In short: any comment containing a link that is not to a pre-whitelisted domain gets treated as a potential spam comment. (In practice, this appears to be most off-site links.) The comment with the link is screened from everyone except the journal/community owners/maintainers. (No, not even the original poster will know it's there.) No notifications are sent out; no central queue exists for processing these comments. It seems that the only way to know a potential spam comment exists is for a maintainer to open up a post and read the comments.

I am as annoyed by comment spam as anyone, but this strikes me as an unusable tool. For the moment, I'm turning it off. If you believe one of your comments to someone might have gone astray due to a non-whitelisted link, gimme a link to the post, and I'll go see if I can free it.

I trust that if you've been getting comment spam on your old posts you've been deleting them as the notifications come in. However, I'm unsure what to do about comment spam on unmonitored posts: deleted or abandoned journals, say. Right now, anonymous comments are screened by default throughout the community, but given that most LJ spammers seem to be using throwaway accounts, that's probably not a big help.

One option is to screen comments from non-members: membership to the comm is unmoderated, but as near as I can tell, spammers aren't signing up to be members before they leave their comments. If you've got other suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
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This isn't a big change to the FAQ -- it's just duplicating some info from the community profile into the FAQ itself. (My initial assumption when writing the FAQ back when was that everyone would have seen the community profile first -- after all, that's where the FAQ used to be. However, in hindsight, that assumption was just plain silly.)

So, in the name of letting y'all know every time I make a change to the FAQ:

Do I have to read fifty books?

No, you don't. There are at least three ways to participate in the comm. Choose what best suits you:

  • Do the 50 Books Challenge: read fifty books by authors of color in the course of a year. Read your books, count your books, and post your write-ups/reviews/impressions.

  • Do a variant of the challenge: commit to fifty books, but take more than a year if you need to. Or read fifty poems or short stories in a year. Or don't set a target number, but keep count of the books by authors of color that you read in a year. Or some other variant that makes sense for you and pushes you to read more authors of color.

  • Skip the challenge: post recommendations and/or reviews, participate in discussions, and otherwise encourage people to read works by authors of color.
Basically, we just want people to read works by authors of color. We’re pretty open to any degree of participation that furthers that end.
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Hi all,

We've seen the news that Yahoo is pulling the plug on Delicious, and we're currently investigating alternatives. The two mentioned most frequently are Pinboard and Diigo. If anyone has experience with Delicious alternatives, let us know!
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A question came up about how to handle locked posts on Delicious, and since I don't know all the reasons that someone might lock a post, I'm referring it to the community for discussion.

Currently, we're cross-referencing all posts about specific books or specific authors on Delicious, even the locked ones, but we're noting in the notes-field that the post is locked. Here is what you can discover about a locked post from the delicious entry:
  • That the post exists, and that it is locked.
  • The username of the member who made the post.
  • The titles of the books in the post.
  • The names of the authors in the post.
  • ...and (if one is willing to sleuth a bit), the approximate date of the post (i.e., later than the post before it, earlier than the post after it).
Altogether, this is substantially more information than what LJ discloses about a locked post. (LJ will confirm that a locked post exists, but will not volunteer its presence; LJ will provide an approximate date to those willing to sleuth, but will not reveal the username of the community member who made the post, let alone provide any hints about the content of the post.) An additional factor to consider is that this is an open community: anyone can get themselves an LJ logon and join the community, and then see the content of a locked post. (I can see that fact cutting both ways: expectation of privacy is low, so it's okay to index; alternatively, locked posts are not very secure, so it's a problem to call attention to them.)

My question for you: does cross-referencing locked posts to Delicious create a problem for community members? Should we change what we're doing?

If you wish to participate in this discussion and maintain your privacy (this post is unlocked), you may comment anonymously and/or drop me a private message.
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Because the tag project is dragging on (in the fantasy world in my head, we would have been done by now!), and because I can't tell how long it's ultimately going to take, I've updated the FAQ to reflect the current situation.

Where are...? Who does...? How do I...? )
I do apologize for not having updated it earlier. If you catch something else that needs updating, let me know.

As far as where we are in the tag project...
  • The bulk of the author tags have been moved. We haven't yet decided how to make sure that all new posts get indexed over there. One possibility we threw out was to ask for monthly volunteers: people willing to take all the new posts made in a month and add them to the delicious account. (Or we could do less than a month, if a month seems unreasonable or if we get a traffic surge like we did during RaceFail09. Basically, we do not wish to break our volunteers!) What do y'all think? Other suggestions?

  • [livejournal.com profile] oyceter is doing behind-the-scenes work right now on Phase Two, where we take on the nationality, ethnicity, geography, and related tags. (Some of the previous discussions about that: here, here, and here. And yes, we've been plodding away at this for a long while now. Even with y'all pitching in and doing the bulk of the labor, we've been having trouble getting the planning and administrative side of it done.) I'll leave [livejournal.com profile] oyceter to explain more about that once she's a little farther along with it.
...and that's what I've got. If you've got suggestions for doing maintenance on Delicious (or want to volunteer for a month's shift!), or otherwise have comments, suggestions, corrections, or questions, let us know. :-)
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So, back in February (where does the time go!? no, wait, I know: grad school) we began porting all the author tags over to Delicious: long story short, there are many, many POC authors reviewed on this comm, far more than the LJ tag system can accommodate. (I consider this a good problem to have, frankly.) Ultimately, this is only the first phase of a two-phase project: first, move author/illustrator/editor/translator tags off of LJ; second, neaten/re-organize/rethink the race/ethnicity/country tags and cross-reference them in both places (while simultaneously locking down creation of new tags to mods, so that there's some hope of them staying neatened/reorganized). In that second phase we will also likely look at the genre/subject tags again.

Anyway, re Phase I, Move Author Tags to Delicious: many volunteers stepped up, and between them, cross-referenced some 885 posts onto Delicious. Yay! Many thanks to [livejournal.com profile] anitabuchan, [livejournal.com profile] coraa, [livejournal.com profile] idella, [livejournal.com profile] kyuuketsukirui, [livejournal.com profile] ruke, [livejournal.com profile] rushthatspeaks, [livejournal.com profile] sumofparts, [livejournal.com profile] sweet_adelheid, and [livejournal.com profile] zeborahnz!

However, Phase I is not yet complete: as sometimes happens, not everyone was able to complete the posts they initially signed up to do, so there are still some 200+ posts that need to be cross-referenced onto Delicious.

Which means that I'm asking for volunteers again. (There may be a day in which I post about tags and do not ask for volunteers, but that day is not today.)

If you're willing to put in some time updating the delicious account, and thereby helping us finish Phase I on this project, please drop a comment here with a way for me to reach you via email, and I'll send you directions. If you don't want to leave an email address in the comments, drop it to me by private message. I'm not asking for a minimum commitment at this point: I basically just need this finished, and am asking people to sign up for whatever they're comfortable doing.

Anyone out there willing to help finish up moving the author tags to Delicious?
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Two quick updates on the awesomeness of people who have been doing stuff for the comm:

First, the author tag project is proceeding apace! Over seven hundred (!) of the thousand posts have been indexed on delicious by both book-author and post-author (respectively "author:" and "by." tags, gathered under the bundles "authors" and "members"). I cannot tell you how thrilling this has been. Hurrah to the volunteers!

When we finish up this phase, we'll be looking at phase two, which will be redoing the race/ethnicity/nationality tags, as well as making sure that genre and topic tags are duplicated on both platforms. Thereafter, you'll be able to do searches for "young-adult by.oyceter", or "science-fiction native-american" or your tag-smash combo of choice.

Second, much thanks to whoever donated a year of paid time to the comm. Paid time both doubles our LJ tag limit and removes ads from the comm altogether. (Yay!) I really like knowing that non-LJ people won't be running into ads here, and we can certainly use the extra thousand tags, even with the extra tag-space freed up by moving the author tags to delicious.

In short, the mod-team has been feeling the love. Thank you, all. It is a really good feeling to know that so many of you value the comm that when we need help, there are people who can. And who do. :-)
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I know that the internet is lightly populated on the weekends, so I wanted to bring this to your attention for those who missed it: Let's Talk About Tagging.

This weekend, we started the push to move all author tags over to delicious, where we also started creating the by.poster tags that some of you had asked for. Roughly a thousand posts need to be indexed on delicious; I currently have commitments from volunteers to do 750 posts. They've made an excellent start, too -- over the course of the weekend, they've finished about three hundred posts. (Yay!)

If you'd like to help, we still need volunteers. Two people finished their commitments and offered to take on more, but that still leaves us short of the full thousand. More details are in the other post; sign up here or there.
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So many of you know that we've been butting up against LJ's tag-limit for a while now (1000 tags for a free community), and that the long-term tag-management plan is to port all the author tags over to the 50books_PoC Delicious account. (That's the first step. After that's done, we'll try to rope the race/ethnicity/nationality/geography tags into some sort of order. But for this phase of the project, I'm just talking about author tags.)

The rest of this post is divided into two parts:
  1. How should I tag my posts?
  2. Can I volunteer to help move the author tags to delicious?

Part the first: How should I tag my posts?
  • Don't bother with the author / editor / translator tags -- we're just going to be deleting them all out anyway, as we move them over to delicious. Do make it clear in the post what the author's name is.

  • Please copy your proposed race/ethnicity/nationality/geography/whatever tags into the body of the post, at the very end, something like I've done here. If you don't know that level of detail, that's fine. However, there is often stuff that's obvious to you, the reader of the book, that is not obvious to us, the maintainers of the tags, which is why it's nice if you include that info in an easy-to-find-spot in the post. Sorting out the race/ethnicity/nationality/geography tags later on will be easier for us if we're not having to research all these authors.

    The other reason that I want you putting this info into the post is because some of it is too granular to live on LJ's tag system -- we've only got a thousand tags at our disposal here. At the moment, when someone uses tags that are just too finely-divided for LJ (like what city or state the book is set in, or the narrow subject matter), we're having to delete them out again because there isn't space to go that fine. Unfortunately, when we delete them out, if that info isn't in the post, too, it's gone forever. So please duplicate your tags at the end of the post.

  • Do not use the "(delicious)" tag -- that's for the volunteer-team-to-be only. We're using that tag to keep track of where we are as we're cataloging posts over on delicious.
...and there are probably other questions you have, but which I didn't think to answer. Let me know.

Part the second: Can I volunteer to help move the tags to delicious?

Yes, please! Please, please, yes!

Some of you said a while back that you'd be willing to help, but we were still at the point of figuring out what we wanted to do, and how to do it. Now we're ready for the additional hands/fingers/however-you-manipulate-the-internets.

Right now we've got roughly a thousand posts that need to be catalogued on delicious. I've done eighty or so, mostly just getting a feel for the task. I've got step-by-step instructions that I'll send you if you volunteer. (In short: add the post to delicious; update delicious tags; update LJ tags.) It goes quickly enough once you've got the rhythm, but like most clerical work, it does tend to run toward the persnickety-fiddly side.

I was thinking that I'd assign posts to volunteers by month, but then I took a closer look at the comm history...

Any guesses as to when RaceFail happened? )
Yeah. Unless any of you are looking at those RaceFail months and clamoring for the opportunity to take them on, I'll divide them into smaller sections.

My druther is to have ten-ish volunteers who are willing to do a hundred posts each, but I'm happy to take whatever offers of help I get. (And if you want to do more, I won't say no! I'm suggesting 100 posts per person only because I'd rather not burn anyone out.)

If you want to volunteer, please give me an indication of how much you're willing to take on, as well as a way for me to reach you by email. ETA: If you don't want to leave a comment with your email, you can get it to me by LJ message.

...and, that's what I've got.

So, does anyone want to help move the author tags over to delicious?


Jan. 19th, 2010 06:55 pm
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We have a new sister community!

[livejournal.com profile] queerlit50 is modeled after [livejournal.com profile] 50books_poc, but with the mission to read and discuss books by queer authors: "lesbian, gay, bisexual, pansexual, trans, intersex, genderqueer, asexual, MSM (men who have sex with men), SGL (same gender loving), two-spirit, third gender, and/or queer." (And if they've left anyone out, they would like you to drop them a comment and let them know!) [livejournal.com profile] paradox_dragon is the community mod, with [livejournal.com profile] staubundsterne and [livejournal.com profile] wysteria helping out with modly duties.

It's a brand-new community, which means that the only post they've got up right now is their FAQ (which ought to look familiar) -- if you've read something by a queer author lately, go help them get rolling by dropping some book or author recs!

... f'rinstance, queer authors of color, anyone? SGL authors? Two spirit authors? Third gender authors?

ETA: And whaddaya know? From [livejournal.com profile] zahrawithaz, for people who want to do both challenges: More Than 50 Books by Queer Authors of Color.
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Heya, it's your friendly neighborhood mod here. Two notes:
  1. As many of you have noticed, we've been battling the tag limit for a while, but we haven't gotten the new tagging scheme up and running yet. Right now, I'm working on easing things up a bit by porting author tags over to delicious. Eventually all author tags will be over there, but for some intermediate period we'll have a situation where some author tags are here and some are there. If you can't find an author tag that you're sure ought to exist (or if some of the posts for that tag seem to be missing from the tag), pop over to delicious and look under the "authors" tag bundle. It should be over there. (Also, the (delicious) tag that some of you may have noticed? The intent is for it to be used during the transition, to help us keep track of what we're doing -- when we finish, we'll get rid of it. Please don't add or remove that tag to posts, unless you are working on the tag-portage project.)

    And yes, as soon as we get the details sorted out, we will be asking for help in porting things over. Believe me, I am already very much looking forward to the extra hands.

  2. I'm going to modify the spoiler-code listed in the FAQ so that it has better accessibility for people who use screenreaders. The idea and execution is described here, but the basic idea is to bridge the spoiler with a "skip this spoiler" hyperlink. Like so:
    (skip spoiler)
    This should be skippable even when one is using a screenreader. If it's a long spoiler you'll get one border around the entire block of text, instead of overlapping borders around each individual line of text. Dunno about you, but that had been bugging me.

    If this doesn't render properly on your browser, let me know, and I'll see what I can do to fix it.

    If you want to try it out in the comments, here's the spoiler code:

    (<a title="Skip this Spoiler" href="#skip.firstspoiler">skip spoiler</a>)
    <div title="This is a spoiler. Highlight to read." style="color:#666; 
    background-color:#666; border:2px red solid"> SPOILER TEXT GOES HERE
    </div> <a name="skip.firstspoiler"></a>

    If you have more than one spoiler, just change "skip.firstspoiler" to "skip.secondspoiler" (change both instances!) as appropriate.

    Also, because I know that big block of code can be unpleasant for some, I'll add instructions to the FAQ for rot-13. (Unless anyone has a good reason to not use rot-13?) V zlfrys unir n sbaqarff sbe byq-fxbby zrgubqf; ohg gura, V'z yvxr gung. (Gung gbgnyyl jnfa'g jbegu hapvcurevat, jnf vg? Fbeel.)

    ETA: It appears that using rot-13 well with screen-readers should have similar "jump past this spoiler" HTML around it, which doesn't make it much/any simpler to implement.
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Hi all!

After mod discussion and comments here and here, we've decided on the following:

  1. We will be moving author tags completely off of LJ and onto our Delicious. We will also be creating poster tags and keeping those solely on Delicious as well. All other tags will be on both LJ and Delicious, and we apologize for the inconvenience of having some tags only on Delicious. Our rationale behind it was that the number of author tags is the largest (630 out of 1000, which does not include white author/illustrator/editor tags, the editor tags, or the illustrator tags) and is the category likely to grow the most. We also anticipate poster tags taking up a fair amount of space, ergo, they are Delicious-only as well.

  2. I'll be redoing the tag system on both LJ and Delicious so we have more consistent tags, as opposed to "sff," "fantasy," sci-fi/fantasy" and etc. Going forward, only mods will be able to create new tags on LJ (everyone can still decide what tags to put on their own posts). We'll have a "needs new tag" tag (exact wording TBD) for posts that need new tags.

  3. The new tag system will be documented to make volunteer work easier! Thank you to the people who volunteered to help; I'll probably be getting in touch with people once there's a system in place.

ETA: Apologies for the confusion! No one needs to know Delicious for this; the mods will be tagging all posts for Delicious. So all posters here will need to do is tag their posts as normal (albeit without author or poster tags), and the mods will import the posts into Delicious.

I have not yet decided (suggestions very welcome!):

  1. What categories to use for tags. Right now, the categories I have in mind are author/illustrator/editor (Delicious only), poster (Delicious only), country, race, ethnicity, tribal affiliation, religion, topic, genre, original language. None of the tags are mandatory, so as to avoid situations in which we are policing identity.

  2. What to do with overlapping categories, such as "Chinese American" or overlaps within categories, such as "Chinese/Japanese." For Delicious, you can narrow down searches within tags, so if you're specifically looking for Black Caribbean writers, you can first click "Black" then add "Caribbean" to narrow down results. LJ doesn't allow this functionality, so we can either a) not include it or b) create tags for it.

  3. If it matters if author info and book info don't match. For example, if I am looking for books set in China vs. books by people from China. Currently we have tags like "women writers" or "Black writers" on LJ; do people find this useful?

  4. More that will undoubtedly come up as I try to figure things out!

I also wanted to say that I know the act of categorizing in and of itself is political, and that hopefully the tradeoffs being made for ease of use are worth putting things in buckets. But I am not certain it is overall or in specific cases, so comments re: that are particularly welcome.
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Hey all,

So we're still working out how to revamp the current tagging system, especially since we've run against the 1000-tag limit twice in about two months.

From comments here, it seems as though most people use the author tags, and a few people would like tags with even more granularity (i.e. tags to find entries by who posted).

However, given LJ's tag limit, it doesn't seem feasible to keep all the tags on LJ, unless we cut down on what we tag. Currently, the author tags comprise of about 500+ tags, with the rest being a mish-mash of genre, race, ethnicity, nationality, and subject.

We've also been thinking of using our Delicious to tag posts on the comm and using a combination of Delicious + LJ. The combination would be something like keeping all the author tags on LJ and then putting tags for other things on Delicious.

A geeky table with benefits and downsides!

  LiveJournal Delicious + LJ combination
  • All in one place

  • Users can tag their own entries

  • We know how it works
  • No limit on tags

  • Ability to search on a combination of tags (ex. find all the entries on books set in India posted by [livejournal.com profile] sanguinity)

  • Some tags still viewable from LJ
  • Limit to number of tags, meaning we will have to not tag certain things

  • No ability to narrow down searches
  • Hard to keep coordinated

  • Putting the tags solely on Delicous means fewer people will see them

  • More work for mods

[Poll #1429226]


May. 29th, 2009 09:39 pm
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Or: in which I actually start making good on my word to my fellow co-mods and take a stab at organizing tags

First, how do you guys use the tags? Do you use the tags?

  1. [livejournal.com profile] deepad posted a while ago asking how people tagged authors of color on LibraryThing, Shelfari, and GoodReads. I'd also love any brainstorming here for tags for the community, and I'll create a poll out of the options people generate later. Some options: authors of color, authors: poc, a: poc, poc author, a: chromatic, etc. I'll follow the same schema for editors and illustrators as well. There's further discussion here as well.

  2. I noticed that the comm has many race tags and then "[race] writers" tags. Is it helpful for people to have both? I figured having both means you can pick up a book about Japanese and Native American people and know that the author is Japanese. If it is helpful, I'd like to follow whatever schema we decide for the first question (ex. authors of color: black, authors: black, a: black, black author, etc.). Also, how granular would people like this to be? Ex. just author: asian or author: asian + author: japanese?

  3. I'm going to get rid of hyphenated races and go with unhyphenated (ex. black british instead of black-british) unless people have reasons not to. I'll also be using the "@" symbol for words that switch according to gender (ex. Latin@ instead of Latina/Latino).

  4. Does anyone have opinions on "Asian Pacific Islanders" vs. separating them out? I do not want to exclude Pacific Islanders, but I also want people specifically looking for Pacific Islanders to be able to find them...

Let me know if any of these schemas are problematic! I want the community to be as useful to its members as possible and would love any suggestions or comments.


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